I went on patio11's podcast

"Understanding and wielding power in local government, with Daniel Golliher"

I was on Complex Systems with Patrick McKenzie (known as “patio11” on the internet).

You can listen and find the transcript here, or on any podcast platform you prefer (Spotify, Apple Podcasts).

Some callouts in the piece:

• Political Science Degrees Must End

• Call It Blue Tape

Some of Patrick’s great work:

• The story of VaccinateCA

• Bits about Money

And if you’re feeling inspired to get involved in local/city government, start socializing and invite me to your event.